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that there are protocols he kept saying that the fbi has for why they launch an investigation, why they would continue it and whether or not they share that information with the white house. i think that really pushes it into the realm of the investigation that continues, brian. >> andrea, there couldn't be more going on right now. there was talk of fiscal cliff. we have no cia director. benghazi's still around, the israelis took out the head of hamas today. then john mccain said if the president puts up his u.n. ambassador, susan rice, to replace hillary clinton as secretary of state she will be blocked, they'll do everything in their power that's where the president today almost conjuring the wording of aaron sorkin from the movie "american president" as will be pointed out all day really decided throwdown. >> this is president andrew shepherd coming through in the east room of the white house. this was president obama saying if nyou want to pick a fight, yu come after me, john mccain and lindsey graham. don't come after susan rice. it was dramatic. he is angry. they feel susan rice i
that there are protocols he kept saying that the fbi has for why they launch an investigation, why they would continue it and whether or not they share that information with the white house. i think that really pushes it into the realm of the investigation that continues, brian. >> andrea, there couldn't be more going on right now. there was talk of fiscal cliff. we have no cia director. benghazi's still around, the israelis took out the head of hamas today. then john mccain said if the...
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he put it all on the fbi. >> the fbi has its own protocalls in terms of how they proceed and i'm going to let director mueller and others examine these protocalls and make some statements to the public. >> now, the fbi is facing intense criticism over its handling of the investigation. perhaps, that's why robert mueller made an unexpected visit to capitol hill today to answer questions. at issue is the timeline of ooechblts and why it took as long as as it did for the pyeatt to find out that the nation's chief intelligence person was under investigation. let's just go through this timeline again. it started in may. the fbi at that time first started looking into anonymous harassing e-mails sent to jill kelley. that's where agent humphries comes in. it was late in the summer when high level officials at the fbi and justice department were told that their investigation had also uncovered an affair between david petraeus and his biographer, paula broadwell. it's not clear when mueller and holder were notified, but in mid october, the fbi interviewed paula broadwell and david petraeus. eri
he put it all on the fbi. >> the fbi has its own protocalls in terms of how they proceed and i'm going to let director mueller and others examine these protocalls and make some statements to the public. >> now, the fbi is facing intense criticism over its handling of the investigation. perhaps, that's why robert mueller made an unexpected visit to capitol hill today to answer questions. at issue is the timeline of ooechblts and why it took as long as as it did for the pyeatt to find...
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the fbi apparently acted by the book. you don't tip off the white house when you're engaging in a potentially criminal investigation. the agent in florida who then worried that the investigation was being stalled and went to a republican congressman who went to eric cantor, he has an illustrious record. he helped bring down the millennium plot. you can't blame him, either, for his apparent concern that this was not being studied appear prop it i can't tellly. so then the story got out, and i think general petraeus has acted honorably in resigning. i think he is going to do fine. he is going to get a book contract. he apparently wants to be president of princeton. he will have a year of probably giving speeches, making a lot of money. i don't feel sorry for him. >> if he wrote a book with the lady who wrote about him, paula broadwell, all in the education of david petraeus. he cooperated practically on the entire book. now he's going to write another book? >> he can write one about himself. he's not the author of this. thi
the fbi apparently acted by the book. you don't tip off the white house when you're engaging in a potentially criminal investigation. the agent in florida who then worried that the investigation was being stalled and went to a republican congressman who went to eric cantor, he has an illustrious record. he helped bring down the millennium plot. you can't blame him, either, for his apparent concern that this was not being studied appear prop it i can't tellly. so then the story got out, and i...
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the fbi agent, he's the guy who brought down the millennium bomber. >>> taking out the military leader of hamas and fire from the gaza strip. >> israel will continue to take whatever action is necessary to defend our people. >> we'll talk to michael oren, israel's ambassador to the united states. >>> and president obama at this hour in staten island to hear from storm victims. >>> plus, say cheese. new members of congress pose for their class photo. perhaps the last time they'll look this happy. >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell live in new york. as the nation learns about the key players and the controversy surrounding general david patreaus, successor at the cia on capitol hill briefing members of the house intelligence committee today. joining me now for our daily fix, chris cillizza managing editor of postpolitics.com, and kelly o'donnell and correspondent pete williams. pete, first to you. talk first about what is going on in the investigation? the fbi agent who was first only known as the person who triggered this, he was an acquaintance, friend of jill kelley's. we knew he had be
the fbi agent, he's the guy who brought down the millennium bomber. >>> taking out the military leader of hamas and fire from the gaza strip. >> israel will continue to take whatever action is necessary to defend our people. >> we'll talk to michael oren, israel's ambassador to the united states. >>> and president obama at this hour in staten island to hear from storm victims. >>> plus, say cheese. new members of congress pose for their class photo....
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she is the one who called the fbi. kelley and her husband had a close relationship with the petraeus and that the kelleys are in maiming otherdebt owing more than $2 million on a building they own. >>> the president held his first conference after his election. sex scandal, secret documents and a new secretary of state. >> if the president was expecting a new honeymoon with reporters, that quickly disappeared in the wake of the sex scandal that took down cia director david petraeus. >> i have no evidence from what i have seen that classified information was disclosed that in any way would have had a negative impact on our national security. >> reporter: the scandal has now 'em broiled afghanistan commander general john allen. when asked if the fbi should have revealed the investigation to him in the country prior to the election, the president withheld judgment. >> it is also possible that, had we been told, then you would be sitting here asking about why are you interfering in a criminal investigation? >> reporter: on
she is the one who called the fbi. kelley and her husband had a close relationship with the petraeus and that the kelleys are in maiming otherdebt owing more than $2 million on a building they own. >>> the president held his first conference after his election. sex scandal, secret documents and a new secretary of state. >> if the president was expecting a new honeymoon with reporters, that quickly disappeared in the wake of the sex scandal that took down cia director david...
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we now know who the fbi agent was who began this whole investigation, fredrick w. humphry who is a glorious name and he is through friends and colleagues of clearing himself of anything wrong, is that right? >> yes, a couple of sources who have come out to give a little bit more information about him and the nature of the relationship and it seems like more of a friendship with the families than anything else. the real headline this week is that he had sent a shirtless photograph of himself to jill kelley and when you get down to the bottom, it may be slightly different. we are told it maybe is not so sexy, but it is described by a couple of people that he was a shooting range where they had a couple of dummies with the head and the torso and he had taken his shirt off as a joke to stood between them and that is the -hfd a tt xyto, but piers, i >we, thing wor and now over to paula broadwell psuspendtoutwh utyclearanc ndeiaoneromne utyclearanc may thr wl. >> ye fn wnndeported this earlier that it appears that the information on her computer may have been t egregioua
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i'm withholding judgment on what the fbi did here and then said he has great respect for the fbi and that if he had been told about the investigation in the middle of it then everybody would be asking, why was the white house informed in the middle of an investigation? so the president had two chances here basically to express any displeasure that he might have had with how the petraeus matter was handled and the most he said is, i'm withholding judgment. >> chuck, does that come as a real surprise in the president saying what we've heard from others on the cabinet, withholding judgment as the story i believe someone said t gets weirder by the day i think it was described. chuck? >> oh, i'm sorry. i thought you were addressing that question to pete. no worries. that's exactly the way it's funny this white house, they don't feel -- they feel it's a distraction. they don't feel it's getting in the way of their work yet. they're annoyed by it but they're not -- it's funny. it doesn't feel like it's a burden that's hanging over their head. that said, every day that they wake up, there's
i'm withholding judgment on what the fbi did here and then said he has great respect for the fbi and that if he had been told about the investigation in the middle of it then everybody would be asking, why was the white house informed in the middle of an investigation? so the president had two chances here basically to express any displeasure that he might have had with how the petraeus matter was handled and the most he said is, i'm withholding judgment. >> chuck, does that come as a...
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he followed fbi protocol and did not have part of the case. that is from the attorney who said he is representing frederick. the agent who received the complaint from jill kelley that complaint within several months lead to the resignation of david petreaus. resignation of the cia director david petraeus and on that note, here is piers morgan tonight. >>> starting with breaking news tonight, you are looking at capitol hill where david petraeus is to testify in front of the senate committee. meanwhile, we are learning more about the agent who was the first to be identified to have started this. he said that the infamous shirtless picture he sent to her was a joke and several years ago. and now we will listen to what the president has to say about the argument over susan rice. >> if senator graham and senator mccain want to go after somebody, they should go after me, and i'm happy to have that discussion, but for them to gof a u.n. ambassador who had nothing to do with benghazi and simply making a prez sentation information she had receive and t
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as an old fbi agent, you should prove it first. >> but this is important. you're saying petraeus says, look, i said it was terrorism all along. susan rice told the american people we thought it was spontaneous. there's a disconnect. >> even more important than that, the narrative as it went from the cia to other intelligence agencies was correct. it was an act of terrorism. we knew that. the difference is what happened when it went outside of the intelligence community for, as the senator called it, you know, a committee to look at this thing and make the determination on what the narrative was. the narrative was wrong. and why that's important, this isn't just about parsing words and who was right. there was some policy decisions made based on the narrative that was not consistent with the intelligence that we had. that's my concern. and we need to say, hey, we need to figure out how that happened, and let's make sure that doesn't happen again. >> did people die because we didn't protect them adequately? is that the bottom line here? >> david, we gave the
as an old fbi agent, you should prove it first. >> but this is important. you're saying petraeus says, look, i said it was terrorism all along. susan rice told the american people we thought it was spontaneous. there's a disconnect. >> even more important than that, the narrative as it went from the cia to other intelligence agencies was correct. it was an act of terrorism. we knew that. the difference is what happened when it went outside of the intelligence community for, as the...
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shannon: we know the fbi was investigating. they weren't after petraeus but they apparently stumbled on information that drew in this personal information. but for the fbi to have access to the e-mails of the director of the cia, i imagine somebody in the executive branch would have had to have known. access would have been grants or there would have been some red flags raised at some high levels. >> i'm not discussing the merits of the indiscretion so much as i am the government process. from the reports we have to date i think the fbi's conduct is sensible right up to the point where they discover relationship between he trace and broadwell. i find it incredible to think once that was uncovered it did not go immediately to the director of the fbi. i find incredible once the director learned he wouldn't call up the attorney general and say i need to put this in front of you. if the "wall street journal" is correct that this happens in the late summer, let's say labor day. a little bit before labor day. what did eric holder do
shannon: we know the fbi was investigating. they weren't after petraeus but they apparently stumbled on information that drew in this personal information. but for the fbi to have access to the e-mails of the director of the cia, i imagine somebody in the executive branch would have had to have known. access would have been grants or there would have been some red flags raised at some high levels. >> i'm not discussing the merits of the indiscretion so much as i am the government process....
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there's that long history of the fbi going back to j. edgar hoover where he was using these kinds of secrets that he was uncovering for political blackmail, if you will. now you have the fbi investigating accidentally stumbling into something where the investigation turns briefly until they shut it down to the director of central intelligence. that's a big deal. the question is, how do you handle it? do you just shut it down once you realize there's no criminality involved or it's a personal indiscretion, or do you report it up the change of command? that's the question that is going to be raised. >> of course, i think the larger question, though, still remains, the investigation regarding benghazi. this was ongoing before this scandal and if this affair was revealed, you have general petraeus making a trip to libya two weeks before all of this was revealed. how can there be a hearing and he not participate in this hearing, andrea? >> well, i think what senator feinstein has come to conclude is he has to participate. perhaps not at this
there's that long history of the fbi going back to j. edgar hoover where he was using these kinds of secrets that he was uncovering for political blackmail, if you will. now you have the fbi investigating accidentally stumbling into something where the investigation turns briefly until they shut it down to the director of central intelligence. that's a big deal. the question is, how do you handle it? do you just shut it down once you realize there's no criminality involved or it's a personal...
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we know the fbi was looking at all of this for a while. officials tell nbc news the investigation started this summer after another woman, jill kell kelley, described as a friend of david petraeus, told another person at the fbi that she's getting threatening e-mail. should the fbi have alerted someone in congress when they started this investigation? >> i don't even know what those protocols are. i would point out that i think that the oversight mechanism that congress, over all issues of national defense and security, has been broken for some time. i was speaking with a senator who was part of the class fight breakdowns of the post-benghazi debacle. and he described those discussions as being the most useless he's ever heard. so there isn't a lot of information sharing over congress. and i think congress also hasn't been doing its job in constructing proper oversight into what's happening overseas and especially with our intelligence services. i would chalk it up probably as part of that kind of bad information loop. >> i guess the point
we know the fbi was looking at all of this for a while. officials tell nbc news the investigation started this summer after another woman, jill kell kelley, described as a friend of david petraeus, told another person at the fbi that she's getting threatening e-mail. should the fbi have alerted someone in congress when they started this investigation? >> i don't even know what those protocols are. i would point out that i think that the oversight mechanism that congress, over all issues...
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the thrust has to be the fbi. the fbi is a disaster in this investigation, in so many different fronts, and ought to be investigated from the very first decision to go after the second woman's e-mails. i mean, what was it in the first -- in the e-mails to kelley that prompted them to go after the other e-mails? >> should they have told congress? >> congressional leaders? probably so. should eric cantor have told rodgers? >> i agree with you. they sat on it. >> rodgers said he never knew. >> we have an obsessed person at the fbi sending shirtless photographs of himself and the rest of the investigation is full disclosure? >> really many. >> really. >> i'll get a final word in on the susan rice situation. he was politically weak in 2011 and won and feeling the oetds. >> ate his spinach. >> governor rendell, thank you for joining us. glad i snuck in the last word there. >>> more on the president's news conference and why we think he said what he said. [ mother ] you can't leave the table till you finish your vegetabl
the thrust has to be the fbi. the fbi is a disaster in this investigation, in so many different fronts, and ought to be investigated from the very first decision to go after the second woman's e-mails. i mean, what was it in the first -- in the e-mails to kelley that prompted them to go after the other e-mails? >> should they have told congress? >> congressional leaders? probably so. should eric cantor have told rodgers? >> i agree with you. they sat on it. >> rodgers...
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intelligence official, but it is unclear when the fbi probe began. >> the fbi director had the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest date, so it has been going on for several months it seems and now it appears that they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it does not add up. >> reporter: among the other questions, why weren't key lawmakers told sooner? the house and the senate intelligence committees were not informed until friday. >> are you going to investigate why the fbi did not notify you before? >> yes, absolutely. this is something that could have had an effect on national security. i think that we should have been told. >> reporter: not everyone on the hill was totally in the dark. house majority leader eric cantor said an fbi employee told him about petraeus' affair and a possible security breach in october after the investigation had begun. a u.s. official says that the general's communications were never compromised and he was never the target of the investigation. another issue
intelligence official, but it is unclear when the fbi probe began. >> the fbi director had the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest date, so it has been going on for several months it seems and now it appears that they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it does not add up. >> reporter: among the other questions, why weren't key lawmakers told sooner? the house and the senate...
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i called the fbi immediately. they said your wife won't be upset and this won't hurt your public image and i said, yes, but people shouldn't be blackmailing other people. hearing about this, i should have all these kind of smarmy opinions on it but all i think about it is what you feel, even when you're safe when someone knows personal stuff about you is horrifying. it's terrify ing. >> but also one of the points you make in this book and elsewhere that the horrible scandal at the center of this story is really just people not being honest with each other, husbands and wives not being honest with each other about the way they live their lives. >> and also the rest of us not admitting. i think all of this sex talk in sex happened all the time throughout history with everybody. we just have an electronic trail on it now. we can follow it all. and i think we should all just kind of grow up a little bit and say we all like having sex and that's okay. >> but then here's the thing that gets me. you're the cia director a
i called the fbi immediately. they said your wife won't be upset and this won't hurt your public image and i said, yes, but people shouldn't be blackmailing other people. hearing about this, i should have all these kind of smarmy opinions on it but all i think about it is what you feel, even when you're safe when someone knows personal stuff about you is horrifying. it's terrify ing. >> but also one of the points you make in this book and elsewhere that the horrible scandal at the center...
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as you know, this arose from the fbi starting an investigation into an unrelated matter and they came across evidence of his sexual misconduct. at this point, there does not seem to be any evidence of anything criminal or of the mishandling of classified information. at least that we know thus far. given that, do you think that the fbi should tell congress and tell the white house about evidence they uncover of personal sexual misconduct by political figures? or should that be kept private? >> well, i believe that the standard has to be, does this have an impact on our national security? so far, we haven't seen anything that gives evidence of that. we have another balance that we have to strike, our founders had to do it, the beginning of our country, and we still do, except now with communication the way it is in a different way. and that's a balance between security and liberty. and so how do you make that balance? should congress and the president be informed of hearsay? i don't think so. what is triggered about informing the congress in any event, just talking about congress, does
as you know, this arose from the fbi starting an investigation into an unrelated matter and they came across evidence of his sexual misconduct. at this point, there does not seem to be any evidence of anything criminal or of the mishandling of classified information. at least that we know thus far. given that, do you think that the fbi should tell congress and tell the white house about evidence they uncover of personal sexual misconduct by political figures? or should that be kept private?...
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why we haven't -- fbi most wanted list, if you want to have civil justice, or send the military in and do what's necessary. neither has happened in that regard, sean. >> sean: i agree with all of that, but it seems to me there's an unwillingness, a mysterious reluctance to admit the simple truth, that there are radical islamists that want a worldwide caliphate, and they have no problems killing innocent men, women and children. >> shouldn't they brought to u.s. soil? they make a mockery of our system, shows a weakness on the part of the united states, certainly not the message that we want to spread to the rest of the world or do us harm. why do they need a u.s. presence here? they don't have a legal classification that warrants that type of placement. >> sean: i'll tell you why, because they can get law books in our prisons and figure out ways to sue the united states of america. >> i think the president is in a big pickle on this. he's made promises all over the place. i don't think he's going to be able to owner o honor any of th. >> like closing gitmo. >> sean: time for our media m
why we haven't -- fbi most wanted list, if you want to have civil justice, or send the military in and do what's necessary. neither has happened in that regard, sean. >> sean: i agree with all of that, but it seems to me there's an unwillingness, a mysterious reluctance to admit the simple truth, that there are radical islamists that want a worldwide caliphate, and they have no problems killing innocent men, women and children. >> shouldn't they brought to u.s. soil? they make a...
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meanwhile, the fbi is still trying to wrap up the petraeus incident. they're looking through potential evidence taken from paul lal broadwell's home during a consensual search earlier this week. now, amid allegations that she mishandled classified information, the army has yanked broadwell's security clearance. and on cnnhead line news, broadwell hasn't made any public comments, even in print. meanwhile, petraeus will make it back on capitol hill to testify tomorrow on benghazi. joining me nbc's correspondent kelly o'donnell. and brad gilman, editor-at-large for "time" magazine. he wrote the cover story entitled "the petraeus affair." there's a whole lot of hearings on benghazi which, of course, all will sort of bleed into the petraeus affair. give us the lineup today and what you expect to hear? >> you're right, chuck. there is so much overlap, what we've heard from someone planning the committee meeting, intel, for both the house and senate side, they wanted to separate those matters of personal and security concerns to the issue that brought it to t
meanwhile, the fbi is still trying to wrap up the petraeus incident. they're looking through potential evidence taken from paul lal broadwell's home during a consensual search earlier this week. now, amid allegations that she mishandled classified information, the army has yanked broadwell's security clearance. and on cnnhead line news, broadwell hasn't made any public comments, even in print. meanwhile, petraeus will make it back on capitol hill to testify tomorrow on benghazi. joining me...
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and the fbi and the cia and that might have something to do with it. it is a situation that has turned tampa, and again, we have seen it on "saturday night live" running the humorous skit, but at the heart of it is macdill air force base which is right now observing events in israel, they don't control the military affairs there, but over in egypt as well as the rest of the region, so they have a lot on their mind as well as u.s. special options command and as well as the area that brings in millions off dollars into the local community. so it is a mandate to engage with the community and that is what parts of this "friends with macdill" was. >> well, talk about the probe and how that it is run to investigate and reveal, i guess, how many people around the community have access to the nation's military leaders. >> no, they know. there's about 800 people on the "friends of macdill" program and created by the previous base commanders to get community leaders on to the base in daylight hours and nonsecure areas to engage with the community. what they are
and the fbi and the cia and that might have something to do with it. it is a situation that has turned tampa, and again, we have seen it on "saturday night live" running the humorous skit, but at the heart of it is macdill air force base which is right now observing events in israel, they don't control the military affairs there, but over in egypt as well as the rest of the region, so they have a lot on their mind as well as u.s. special options command and as well as the area that...
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>> mike rodgers is a very decent guy, a former fbi agent. very much into all of this. i think he just kind of went off on a tangent. the white house has said, the president has said that he didn't know before the election. i don't think anybody should be accusing the president of the united states of lying. >> felicia we heard on "meet the press," that there's clear and necessary separation between the justice department and the white house. is it your sense that this is strictly political? that congressman rodgers is just suggesting some sort of a breach there? >> well the first thing that this brings to mind when it comes to his accusation here is back to during the campaign season when harry reid was accusing governor romney of not having paid taxes for ten years. just sort of throwing this statement out there without anything to back it up. it's not too hard to see how this is, is along the same lines as that. and unless he is able to bring forth some kind of evidence there, it's just another baseless claim it seems. >> okay. up next, the big three with their must-
>> mike rodgers is a very decent guy, a former fbi agent. very much into all of this. i think he just kind of went off on a tangent. the white house has said, the president has said that he didn't know before the election. i don't think anybody should be accusing the president of the united states of lying. >> felicia we heard on "meet the press," that there's clear and necessary separation between the justice department and the white house. is it your sense that this is...
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fbi agents raided her home, taking computers and other documents earlier this week. finally, we now know the identity of the fbi agent who first investigated the whole mess. by now you probably know him as the shirtless agent, the guy who sent a shirtless photo to jill kelly, the other woman involved in this mess. fbi agents name is frederick humphries, over those supposedly harassing e-mails now linked to paula broadwell. hope you got that. >>> controversy over benghazi, as you know, has reached a boiling point, though. yesterday at his first press conference, being row elected, president obama has strong words for anyone who blames u.s. -- united nations ambassador susan rice for the benghazi response. here is what the president said. >> as i've said before, she made an appearance at the request of the white house in which she gave her best understanding of the intelligence that had been provided to her. if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. >> okay. so it took senator john mccain about an hour to make i
fbi agents raided her home, taking computers and other documents earlier this week. finally, we now know the identity of the fbi agent who first investigated the whole mess. by now you probably know him as the shirtless agent, the guy who sent a shirtless photo to jill kelly, the other woman involved in this mess. fbi agents name is frederick humphries, over those supposedly harassing e-mails now linked to paula broadwell. hope you got that. >>> controversy over benghazi, as you know,...
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everything from his initial reaction to how this was handled by the fbi. so first to the point of his initial reaction, if you take white house press secretary jay carney's briefing yesterday as a guide that gives you a sense that president obama will likely talk about that fact that he was stunned. he'll likely also thank general petraeus for his service to the country and also express his continued support of general allen while this investigation is ongoing. in terms of this other big question that lawmakers have been talking about quite a bit, this question of when president obama was informed about the entire situation, i think that you will hear president obama essentially defer those questions to the fbi. essentially not question the fbi's handling of this situation. that is what i expect. anyway, thomas, based on carney's briefing that we heard yesterday. this is such a stunning situation, because, remember, this is the last thing that president obama was expecting to talk about during his first press conference, what he intended to be focusing on,
everything from his initial reaction to how this was handled by the fbi. so first to the point of his initial reaction, if you take white house press secretary jay carney's briefing yesterday as a guide that gives you a sense that president obama will likely talk about that fact that he was stunned. he'll likely also thank general petraeus for his service to the country and also express his continued support of general allen while this investigation is ongoing. in terms of this other big...